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Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:06 pm

My Les Paul Studio came with one of those PCB harness for the volume and tone controls. They sound and work fine tbh and I have no intentions of replacing the stock pickups in this guitar. Is it worth removing the PCB and going with standard pots? Will it make any difference tone-wise? I imagine the PCB has 300k volume pots so I guess going to 500k would increase the highs a bit, but I am not sure I need that. Probably not actually. So aside from changing the pots value is there any benefits with using standard pots vs. the PCB?

Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:08 pm

If I had to guess... they'll sound the same, and the PCB will have ever so slightly more chance of a bad solder joint over time since with separate pots there's room to move but a single PCB is more prone to mechanical stress.

I really can't see it being a big concern though.

Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:11 pm

Nope. Actually I would say that PCB is better from a manufacturing standpoint. Allows for more consistency.

Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:12 pm

I lol at people who rewire their LP's that have pcb wiring harnesses because of tone issues and then play into 5 pedals that are all pcb and then an amp that's pcb.

There is one significant advantage though: if you use standard solder lug pots, repair is 10x easier. But how often do you REALLY have to repair your volume pots?

Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:17 pm

Steveijobzz wrote:I lol at people who rewire their LP's that have pcb wiring harnesses because of tone issues and then play into 5 pedals that are all pcb and then an amp that's pcb.

There is one significant advantage though: if you use standard solder lug pots, repair is 10x easier. But how often do you REALLY have to repair your volume pots?




Yeah I agree. Especially since I am not even planning to change pickups in it, I am not concerned about having to service that PCB anytime soon. I will leave it there and when/if the pots start to get scratchy or something, I will replace the whole thing. It might never even happen.

Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:23 pm

I did not have the PCB harness in my SG, but I did have the 300k pots.

I rewired the whole thing with 500k pots, and I very much like the tonal change.

It wasn't night/day difference, but it sounds less muffly and muted now.

Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:28 pm

GAS KING wrote:I did not have the PCB harness in my SG, but I did have the 300k pots.

I rewired the whole thing with 500k pots, and I very much like the tonal change.

It wasn't night/day difference, but it sounds less muffly and muted now.


Yeah, my SG was the same way.... no PCB but 300k pots... I rewired it with 500k and liked the results.

But the LP sounds so good as is I don't know if I want to do anything to it, if it ain't broke....

Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:33 pm

you know... I never checked my Midtown P90 to see whats in there.. will have to take a look when I get home later...

Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:40 pm

I kinda like the PCB... It makes pickup swaps real easy. Just take your molex connector, stick the leads in the sockets, and plug it in. It's kinda like EMG's quik connect or whatever it's called.

Plus, I'm sure the quality/consistency is better with a PCB. Sure, it benefits Gibson by cutting costs, but its not that much of a big deal IMO.

Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:47 pm

I think the 300k pots really help tame the high end. My Les Paul was kinda single coilish compared to MHenson's R8, Abstract's classic and Youngblood's SG.



Considering it has a JB, I was very happy.

Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:12 pm

I would say don't do it just for the sake of doing it. Nothing wrong with the PCB board.

I took out the PCB on my Studio because I wanted to change the wiring (not pickups but switches), but otherwise would have left it. It'll be easier to work on in the future though.

Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:32 pm

TU BE had his redone, but :idk:
i'd leave it personally

Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:03 pm

only if it's a rats nest like the older ones were .

Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:13 am

If it sounds good as is, LEAVE IT. You said you were happy with the guitar so just let sleeping dogs lie. I'm sure you're not gonna have to worry about reliability issues any more than you would have to with standard wiring

Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:45 am

If you have a problem with the PCB at some point change it. Until then I wouldn't worry about it.

Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:24 am

This ^^ - but why would the PCB's have 300k pots?

Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:06 am

mamberg wrote:This ^^ - but why would the PCB's have 300k pots?


every standard production Gibson guitar does. They've been using them for decades now.

Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:33 pm

so the Midtown P90 is doesn't have the PCB... but now I'm wondering if to change the 300K volume pot to a 500K... how much brighter would it get?? to be honest it wouldn't hurt if it was a touch brighter... guess there's just one way to find out.

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    Using Bare Knuckles with a Gibson Circuit Board

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    What are your options?

    Gibson guitars with circuit board (PCB) mounted controls and quick-connect pickups can, at first, look a little incompatible with aftermarket pickups, but, don't fear! Getting a great, clean installation is more straightforward than you may think.

    Products are available which allow you to adapt traditional pickup wiring into the quick connect system, but, actually, although they work fine, you can achieve a cleaner and more secure installation by wiring your new pickups directly to the board / pots.

    The pots mounted to the PCB are very much the same as the kind of pots that you would find in a traditional setup and you can work with them in broadly the same way.

    Braided Conductor

    When working with braided wiring, unpick a short section of the outer braid, then twist in up so that it sticks out at roughly 90 degrees from the main cable. push back a short section of the inner black cloth sheath, to expose a few mm of the inner wire. Then (with the 3 terminals of the volume pot towards you) solder the inner wire to the left hand terminal and the twisted outer braid to the right hand terminal. Follow exactly the same layout for both the bridge and neck pickups / bridge and neck volume controls.

    Modern 4 Conductor

    Working with 4 conductor is quite similar: Solder the red wire to the left hand terminal and the black and bare wires to the right hand terminal. Depending on your setup, you may wish to either cut the black and bare wires a little shorter, or cover the bare wire with some insulation, to avoid it contacting with any terminals that it shouldn't when everything is put back in place.

    Alternatively, there are more options for where to connect your grounding wires. For example, you can solder them to the grounding / securing points on the pot casing, as shown here. The options that are described here all avoid adding any extra solder point to the sytem, meaning that the board can be returned completely back to stock form, at a later date, if desired. If that's not a concern for you, then you can ground any of your wires ditrectly onto the back casing of any of the volume or tone pots, as you would in a traditional setup.

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    ReWiring a Gibson Les Paul from PCP board to CreamTone Custom harness

    What year did Gibson start using PCB boards for standard models?

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    2008 I believe. I can see no real advantage since no one ever released any other pickups with the connector on. Probably just a way for Gibson to make more money by using less expensive parts.
    This point of view is 100% incorrect. It's ok, because most people thought the same thing you did, but I was there during the process of creating the board. here is what I recall:

    A few different thoughts were part of the change:


    1) Easy modification for players. this was where the whole project started. We know that de-soldering and soldering new pickups in holds many players back from changing pickups more often. We actually had discussions with Seymour Duncan and EMG about creating a new universal EZ plug system on our pickups. Unfortunately, this never got off the ground. I think it's still a great idea.

    2) We wanted better pots in the Gibson USA guitars. We met with the folks from Bourns many times and we explored possibilities of the sound, the feel and taper (very important to us too) for custom made potentiometers. We also added gold plated plates on the back of these posts. Trust me, each pot cost much more than the pots used previously.

    3) We knew that the traditionalists would poo-poo a circuit board right off the bat unless it was badass. Much thought time and expense was put into those boards. We made sure to include ultra wide traces for the skeptics. We were going for a hi-tech ultra badass look. We even put smokey translucent covers on the back to show it off.

    4) All of this put together was a significant material cost increase. It did not off-set the labor costs. I know this for a fact as I helped create the BOMs and was part of the whole process.

    I have not been at Gibson for a while now, so I have no reason to mis-lead or toe the company line. At no time did the team ever say "let's build it cheaper". We wanted to move the Les Paul forward. We wanted to move in a different direction from the historic collection. The custom shop had the old school covered....we wanted to be the new school. This is why you also saw that huge neck joint and other changes to the LP in 2008. That was the mind-set for the 2008.
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